>> an attempt byko governor je brown and democratic leaders to water down xgnça5?(p&ifornia's records law sparks acñr major battle in the capital. the oakland a's want to ditch thet( coliseumçfor a new home i the south bay. now the city of san jose sues major league baseball to try to make it happen.=/%ñre1 >> we filed legal action toxdñ rid of restrictionsmy so the future mayors and counsels will be able to seek8@ a baseball t. >> the project in california history is egin. opening the way for e1w3endange seal heads trout to reach the traditional spawning grounds. with the interest on student loans set to doublejf next mont

northern category con'sessman jaredko hoffrr' for thexd prop to freeze the rate and prevent more debt. >> we're heard from students about the stress and anxiety this debt overhang is bringing to them. >>ar goodxd evening. 9 california. joiningt(ñit( me on the newsi] mark purdy, san jose mercury

news columnist and paulrrogers, mercury news environment writer and josh richmond, bay area news grghi political fáreporter. thereq has been a lot of talk i sacramento over the california public records act that requires government agencies to release their records upon request, but governor brown's move to weas[ the law set off controversy. at the foot of the bill is who should foot the bill. i want to start withñi you, jos. the governorjf has been talking about this for a lpwhile. i want to explain why this is important totpsu) democracy. >> the governor proposed earlie1 agencies eith%$ pay for the cost of respondingtooáo publice1rrec act request or opt out of provisions of the publicrrecords act.çó the hcsá=ie is this law has ben in place since ñgoç1968, but th

last 30 yearsfáxd there is anot$ state to payt( for mandates tha itst(ok lawsñi impose upon loca agencies.fá çó districts and whatever. the state has been on the hookq for reimbursing the cost of complying with the publicçóq records act. it's not a lott(roffá money in grand scheme. $20 million a year. 50çó cents for every man, woman and child in car)qjá it's not breaking the bank at a point where the budget is not only imbalanced, but has a be that as it may, the stateçó continues to lookmos)ym ways t ofte/k pass those cost along to otherxd branches of government the problem was if the state is not going to pay for it and the locals don't haveço pay, some of the locals won't pay for it and you have a lack ofçó accesso the key publicxdw3q records tha

everyone needs to figure out what government is doing. salarieszv andok e-mails and a record that you would want to get. what we would have lost potentially are provisions that  to respond to praçó requests within ten days. working with requests to identify the iq%9 documents that they areñi looking for and one of the most important things for reporters, they no longer formats that we can use to analyze them. ifko you get a pdf of w3fásala it'skn $u) asé@ good as a spr sheet where you can use a database to analyze things and crunch the data and so ?qrñ >> a lot of people might forget that this is not just an issue that is importantñ@uo=/% report. if it&ñ becomes volunteer for local government to give up public records showing howmy t mo.

going to give that up. in santa clara county, we have a supervisor about to be sentenced to prison for putting casino trips on the public expense card to pay a campbelling debt. the guy in the sea of bell, the bolts on the bay bridge.xd nobody is going to hand over the records voluntarily. this tarnished jerry brown's image and a lot of other democrats. darrell steinberg and marke1 le% the state senator from san this stuff and said they will voluntarily give it all up. why were theyt( doing t(it? what was the motivation. >> it was budgetary. markxd leno chairs the budgett( committee thate1 drafted the budget trailer bill that was gut4 ande1 amended to contain thisok language and it wasok discovered to set off theñi firestorm of criticism. there as we werejf discussing earlier v"xráuj theories about why7oo this all went down theuk it did.

the way it was resolved, they sed light on it. they backedc off after every board took them to task after ever good group complained about they agreed to leave things as they are for a year. next year wet( are going to see lf=9mq%quq%=91 amendment thatl will enshrine our state public records act which is axd statut in our state constitution. by doing so, they removeç!jeñ fm the realm ofçó things thati] ar the state pay for the mandates and say that localt(çó agenciest pay the costs of the records act requests that they receive. it's going to be hard for anybody toxdñz(ñi oppose this m. no city wants tow3 say we are againstx+oçñr releasing publi#] records. we had this week longñr highly publicized fight over the access >> asbheçólúwdumb sports column

guyfá here, what's the worst ca scenario? r)q an average guy, reporters. we knoww3 that. the average guy who needs to know something public. what's the worst case? >> the worst case now has been averted.ñii]jf nothing is going to change in this year's budget. nothing changes for the nextlp year. i suppose youçó you could hav.á worse case scenariow3 where it goes to the ballot and gets defeat and we are back to square oneq trying to pull the plugw3 thejf funding again. í÷ weñr will keep looking at t >> sun light isñiñr the best disinfectant they always say. >> veryt( true. we will move on to what could be the largestçó dam removal proje officialsçó agreed toi]jf tearñ the 106 foot tall sanñi clement dam. thelp structure has been ruled seismicallyçó unsafe and the

removal could be for the w3xdzv endangered trout that have been blocked from the spouning grounds by the barrier of the grounds by the bc"rmel e1river.. this is years in the mak9n59ñ they have been discussing this and studying it for about 20 years. there was a big damym removalc renaissance in the 1990s when president clinton was in and bruce was his interior secretary. he used to go around with a sledge hammer to dam six) and talking about bringing rivers ìc&k to oklife.ñ in the bush years that was not continued. there were not a lot of people who wanted to take down dams. with the bad economy there is not a lot of money to pay for it. this project is goingó[ to jump-start this movement again. it's closely watched by engineers andçó biologistshnoun the country. >> it'st(çó obsolete.é@ if you have an old car or

"tclding, after a while there is only so many times you canqxd k fixing it before you need to buy a new one. this dam was built when warren g. harding was president, 92 years ago. overtime the dams silt up behind them. that comes down thejf river and help replenish beaches gets stuck and the water gets fullq up. this reservoir!u is 95% full. a bunch of dirt and filled it almos4ñá alljf the way on and t ont( the water, you only store bit of water. it's useless. statet( engineers said in an earthquake it could collapse. if it collapsed, the amount of mud and sand behind that can fill 250,000 dump trucks. it would kill everything in the river and take out about 1500 houses. >> how are they going to get rid of itfá all? >> it's lpñiinteresting. th the bottom withxd dynamite andw

press the plunger. carmel river into an adjacent stream and then basically put giant ex-cavators on tw7 base for two years and chip away at the concrete. they are going to leave all that sediment i have been talking about in place. they are not going to haul itt( away, but route the river around it. this will open up after threec years, 25 miles of streams and rivers through the big sur hills. endangered trout and other wildlife can get back in. >> it's more of a shovel. >> you pay for fáit? have a public records act to follow the money. basicallyc the private company that owns this dam called cal american water based in san diego, they are paying $49 million. the remaining $35fá million is coming from state bonds and federaljf grants and privatec

donations from groups like thel nature cw3qconservancy. s able to rais@i the rate payer'st(çó bills bylp $2. this. it's a marvel of engineering. the dam serves no purpose. they must have a reason for that. theyçó must have consequences. for the peninsula.çó think of cannery row and the farming and all of that. this is their water supply. there is a bigger dam further up that will stay up. they are trying to build a plant right now. they are looking for newxd ways and water conservation in that area. like i said, if this is successfuvzñ youw3 will see oth projects in ventura lpcounty an other places around the country

probably take offçó also. it's not w3cheap. you have to figure outfá what t big. >> eventually. >> how long will this take,lp y think? >> three years. they broke ground today on the project. it'sçó 20 years in the making. if you come backñr to this siten five years, you will never notice a dam was there. the silt pile is going to beko planted over with native w3 and everything you see will be hauled awajy the futuret( generationsñi will never know there was a dam there. >> i'm sureçó this will be of interest with the dams and the back to nature movement. it will be watched closely.ko z large+ dams and a lo] them are ageing and not all will be retro fitted. we center to figure out how to take them down as cheaply andly as possible.

>> we are goingw3 to move on to the boys of summer now. the oakland a's areé@ itching relocate from the alameda county coliseum to a+ proposed stadiu in downtown san jose and major claiming the san francisco giants hold the rights to the." this week the city of san josex sued majorym leaguet( baseball challenging the geographic rights to make that move south. all right, mark.& >> i will be right about this so long. >> will there be a san jose a's? >> we are way away from deciding that.x this is anlp antitrust case. the lawyers are foaming at the mouth. this is exciting for them. that'sxd why thet( a's have not1 preventing a move. they have establishedw3 in the 1920s and that alloskt them to doh.0at major league baseball is

doing. stoppingxd the a's from doing wt they want to do.çó when they come to san jose, do that because baseball allows them to tell themxd no, you can do that. the owners, we control that. that's why.t( afterjf waiting four years, maj league baseball appointed a panel to investigate the possibilities of the san jose move and what that would mean the city of san jose got tired of waiting around and wants to force something here. it will belp a year or more befe anyfá of this gets decided. >> you talk about the overall antitrust policy, b34e theth$pr seeded the right to the san francisco giants. >> riá0v. if this lawsuit has standing, we will find out a lotñi of things.

i have seen the minutes to meeting where what you are wanted to build axd ballpark in san jose. the owners wanted to approve that that was okay. the giants needed approvalc of the a's tojffáe1 buildt(çó the and before they went to theçó voters. yes, it can happen. bite me. i am going to seedlp the rightsá santa clara for the purposes of the giantsçó trying to pursue a stadium. the people there at that time m in the room at that time believe that that permission was just granted for the giants to build a ballpark. ballpark after thatt( project failed. they built the china basin.w3lpá

in order to do that, they needed the assurance to get the bank loans to build that.ñr so the giañt+i eht( nowe1 diggn their heels and saying fáno, we will not want the a's to move down there. i want to know the dot%1m of why the giants --t( we are in ft the loans tied for the ballpark to theq territorial rights? was there some sort of promise to theq territorial rights? was there some sort of promise made we don't knw. if this lawsuitxd proceeds and get discovery, we will find out why. >> the money that changed hands? >> we don't4÷ok know. >>t( theyq suing to forceñi a decision by thisñi panel or to decisi/op is no? theya5ñ suing on five differenti grounds and the lawyer is a big name guy.

out theok cartwright act té- the state supposedly violates. what iñi think if you study history, major league baseball aq%=9 the wayqñi giants hold on to there pan. they don't want to lose that. in the past, milwaukee sued on the basis when the braves left for atlanta. baseball settled.fá they got the brewers. settle lost the pilotsxd to milwaukee oddly enough.u they sued antitrust saying baseball settlet(nb andxd theye mariners when the giants were going to go to tampa bay and thç tampa pay andlp overturned and

baseball settle and that's why there is thenb tampa bay rays. that's the strategy for san jose. hear. >> handicap orxd years frome1 nf you were going to bet and i know sports writers don't bet, but if you were going to, what would come. will they get to the san jose fáe1 whether the lawsuit has standing. if they rule they have standing to do this, then i th)zñ within p t owners, one word they really hate ist( subpoena andcfá depos. the process starts and they will reach a settlement and the a's will be able to move. if not, chuck reed, the mayor is correct. this is about future years. who is to say the a's get a

ballpark built here. some of us believe the giants's main missionxi; to geíi the a' to move out of the baylúwçóarea. then if san jose gets this antitrust overturned so that an3 áam can move to san jose, in 50 years maybe the cleveland indians want tofá move here. >> quickly, what happens to oakland? they may lose their basketball team and the raiders are always leaving town.jf opinions on demand. they need to decide which team they want to keep. right nowlp all three teams wan out. after a while it'se1 not them, it's you. you want oaklandñ leadership issues. if they choose to keep one team tqq!q9ñus that, they have to dok they have to decide which team. >> thank you.fá student loan rates are set to double on julyxd 1çóst unless congress takes action to hold them at the low of 3.4%.

thee1 rate hike would affect los to fund education. i spoke with jared hoffman about a bill he coauthored which would freeze the rate.çór >> congressman jaredñiçójfçó ho. thanks so much for joiningçó çó. >> good to be with you. >> great. >> let's set the stage and what is the total indebtedness for studentsçó coming out of t(coll. >> over a trillion. the reason we are talking about it a lot is first it's theçó fastest growing type ofá(u in theçó united states. second, big changes are going to days on july 1ñist. theçó current interest ratei] w have been able to hold at thatw low level for stafford loans is set to double if congress doesn't take action. indebtipujuáy >> it's a temporary fix or axd

band-aid. >> yeah. we want to keep it at this leve everyone agrees you can't maintain all future loansw3qñrñ this level. years and years into the future. we should hold it for a couple of years while weq look at a policy reform during that time. table discussion with college students who are indebt to the student xdloans. what did you learnuñi th!-od=u& back to your colleagues. >> that was atu the college of marinñi a few weeks x(p()y that cdiscussion. we heard directly from studnésu o of stress an anxiety this debt overhang is bringing to them and families. t.q"uc))'jz is worth itt( when come out with it.

with the record high levels of indebtedness, the job opportunity is not wheree1 we wanted th%lp to be. bargain ofñr higher education these days.ok >> whent( the kidsw3 come out or school with the shinyko diplom and the huge amount of debt, there is a ripple effect throughout the economy.t(é@ >> there is. a couple of years ago, we were talking about the economic overhang of thenb mortgage deb crisis. we have begun to bring that down. as that comes down, consumer confidence goes up. it's being replaced rapidly with a student loan indebtednesslp p& overhang. if we don't do t(something, it will be a drag on the e1fáecono. >> youe1 have been busy this we andfá involved in the snapi] prm where youc have only been eatin on $4.50 a day. me about the program and why you decided to do that and how it went. >>c thanks. i took the snap challenge is w(pú we call it.

it's thexd acronymt( for the fo stamp lpprogram. the reason i did it, my do this. we had the most members to do it, over 30jf eeíbers this year. it's really to personalize this and geti] insight into the challenges that people whook ar not politicians doing this for a couple of days to make a point. theyf3n"rp+e to golp weeks and s and years at a time on this food budget. >> were you able to eatlp quali food or junk é]jtñtr8kp>> i sta and way too much carbs and junk foods. the bread and the rice and the beans where you can cheaply buy a lot of food. those tend to fill up your grocery list an"i what i missed is the fresh stuff. the fresh fruits. it meadt( mefá appreciate the f budget on the ongoing basis.qñr(

money that will be taken out of the food stamp program. t(jtu on board and i wonder, is there a new day of reckoning in terms of bipartisanship. >> in afá dysfunctionalw3jf way. in a congress of almost allfá@ú& democrats and tea party republicans oppose the farmok bl for oppositeñr reasons. the democrats because it included the draconian $20 billion cut and that's part of why i did the challenge to draw attention to the impactsçó of tt cut on theçó families. many of the republicans voted against it and wanted it to cut deeper. it became a terrible bill with can you see the possibility of creating a bill that would increasexd money to this progra? >> yeah. i certainly know that we need the food stamp program is a

modest benefit andlp doing the snap challenge highlights howñr modest it is. i don't think this congress is bolster the program, but in future c ngresses, we willj&$át to look at that.ñr my hope is that the economy recoversfá and maybe there won' and peopleñi needing oksnap,ñrç right nowñi the bests?ñ i think can do is holdñi the line again errible ñrcuts.ñr >> one quick question. the "new york times" hadñ5ú article about marijuana in mendocino county thatúih part of your district.ñi it's a cash crop a&ec everybody  im forñr the constituents in your area? >> içó hate to use the word dysfunctional, butw3 we have a dysfunction 58t( marijuana poli in this country. they say it's legal or medicine

and i happen toñrxdi]i] agree, sense,i] but we have a federal w that says it's a criminal narcoticc substance and fedeau authorities are enforcing that law as they are required to do. we have a lot of work to do. states like colorado and hhington passing initiatives to legalize it will help drive us to lpaction, but i want to s us letc states make policy call. if california wants to havew3 medicalxd cannibis, they can se it and tax it. a lote1 of it is taxing and trespassing and gang xdactivity. it's a real challenge. my district is discount zeroe1er it. >> gotcha. thankslp for joining us today.ñi >> thank you for having me, dana. >> i would like to thank paul

rogers. thank you very much. visit us any time at kqed.org/this week to subscribe to ourt(fá newsletters and podc andxd share our thoughts and sty ideas. we will leave you with beautifup images of thelr carmel w3river. i'm dana king. thank you for watching. good night.

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